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Why a omniscient, omnipresent and omnipotent God isn’t worth worshipping.

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Ever since I was a little kid, I have heard of how God is omnipotent, omniscient and omnipresent. Accompanying this tidbit of information is how God has control over our destinies and how we should pray to him so that we get to lead comfortable lives. It is also necessary to do good things during one’s life, as at the end of it all, we are all held accountable for our actions and by doing good we (or rather our souls) go to heaven, where all is fine and dandy. If we don’t be good people, then bad things happen, varying from not getting “liberated” from the material world to going to this place called hell, where we learn what it feels like to be on the wrong side of a barbecue.

The above few lines were repeated to me often, usually without further explanation. It therefore summarises my theological training and expertise. Over time I have developed new views which more closely match the title of this post and here is some of the reasoning behind it. If there is anyone who can punch a hole in any of my arguments, I would love to hear their ideas…

Why do it?
One of the first questions that come to mind when thinking of an omniscient and omnipotent God is why would he go through the trouble of creating the universe and us humans and animals as we have been, are and will be?

There can be multiple reasons why anyone would create something so elaborate. One reason for building things their utility. We build houses because it beats living in the rain, snow, wind. Some animals sharpen their claws because it helps in getting food. People invented cars so that they could travel around. So maybe God has a use for the universe as it is, like helping him achieve some goal, or keeping an enemy at bay. That means that God needs us for some purpose and he is therefore not omnipotent, because if he were, he could have just created what he wanted or driven away whatever threatens him without going through this whole rigmarole.

Maybe he is in the process of creating whatever he needs and we are the means to the end. But then the moment we concede that, we are seriously jeopardising his claim to omniscience as well. The fact that he needed to create the universe to get the object X means that he does not know the answer to the question “how to get X without creating the universe?” and he is not omniscient any more. If there are some factors that prevent him from getting what he wanted without creating the universe, then the claims to omnipotency look even weaker and suddenly God realises that he isn’t really having a good day.

Sometimes people do things simply for the mental challenge of it(think jigsaws, crosswords etc) without any specific benefit to oneself. Unfortunately, things can only be mental challenges when we initially do not know how to solve them, but then try to figure out. But we all know what happens if we said that God did not know how to create the universe and wanted to try out a method don’t we? Yep, that’s right, omniscience gets flushed down the hole again.

Very often, things are built to do experiments. Once again, that implies a lack of knowledge and once again, we have omniscience taking a belting.

Which leaves us with just one option, that God created the universe and everything in it just for the heck of it. He knew how to create it. He also knows how to make it perfect, but for some reason he will not. He prefers to just sit back and watch everyone kill, cheat and lie to each other. He enjoys watching the injustice, the violence and the hatred go unchecked for the billions of years before he steps in and one day and decides to make things all right. If he enjoys doing that, then plainly he is a sadist. If he doesn’t care about it, then he is just a shoddy workman who can’t be bothered to do the job right. If he cares about it, but does not do anything about it even when he can, then he is plain lazy.

Either way, it becomes increasingly difficult to look up to him as the paragon of excellence, doesn’t it?

As I wrote this up, I realised I have quite a lot to say on this topic, so more on this later…

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Written by clueso

October 27, 2008 at 12:08 am

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  1. Just a thought…

    For god probably making the universe is like making a movie. For the perfectionist director/script writer/producer (mind you not an editor…god doesnt need that..) even before he/she starts with the movie they are probably able to visualise every single shot in the movie.

    drawing a parallel, god knows exactly what is going to happen since our universe is just a movie currently playing to packed houses in one of the cinema halls in the lovely heaven! who wants a ticket??

    but the only glitch is there is no point us trying to be good or evil…because according to gods script thats already decided so dont try too hard… 😛

    Moonshadow

    October 27, 2008 at 12:53 pm

  2. Very true points. To think that God is a sadist or created this whole universe thing for his amusement means he is also sad and lonely.

    But the alternative explanation doesn’t seem to work either. I’ll post more on it.

    Karthick

    November 21, 2008 at 5:59 am

  3. Interesting…am working on this now also…will let you know if I “figure anything out” (have any ideas).

    …Seeking Truth Indefinitely…

    Daniel

    November 24, 2008 at 8:21 am

  4. I ran into this website while looking for a lesson for my next youth meeting.. The passage… Totally absurd if you ask me… Whoever wrote it must have a lot of time in their hands.. God is GOD!!! and you… well .. your just pathetic..get a life and quit making stuff up.. but you know what? I do you a favor.. I’ll pray for you…

    Sarahy

    sarahy carrasco

    December 10, 2008 at 6:23 am

    • wow! my very first flame comment!

      It has all the bells and whistles, the complete lack of any good argument, the feeling that just because something is in CAPS it is the absolute truth and the condescending “i forgive you nevertheless” tone…

      I am thrilled beyond words 🙂

      clueso

      December 29, 2008 at 9:13 am

  5. gosh ashwin…. thats enlightment…!
    be careful abt wht u say though..
    u never know…the world’s harmony
    could be dependent on it! 🙂

    rohit

    January 29, 2009 at 3:44 pm

  6. …or maybe.. having a less than ideal world was
    the almighty’s way of having a job….

    …just like an ideal programmer writing a less than ideal program… so that he can be gainfully employed..!
    🙂

    (…and then the commentator shudders to think that he might be bordering on sacrilege)

    rohit

    January 29, 2009 at 3:55 pm

  7. Ahhh…but if we draw a strict parallel between the ideal programmer and God, it implies that God has someone above him who decides if he is useful or not 🙂

    the poor guy is having a bad time methinks…

    p.s good to have you visiting!

    clueso

    January 30, 2009 at 11:16 pm

  8. Hey there. First off, I want to apologize for whoever sarahy is. It saddens me to see such a hit and run misrepresentation of the word.. It especially sucks that apparently that person is responsible for instructing anyone else, especially young minds! Yeesh.

    I like the previous comment about God making a film, that’s a neat idea, but I wouldn’t think of it in linear terms, that we shouldn’t worry about our choices because they’ve already been made for us. That almost sounds like a cop-out against being responsible. If we thought of God as an epic artist of sorts, who has created this world and us and everything in it as His masterpiece wouldn’t it make a little more sense to worship a God like that? When you create something your character is shown through that creation. It gets a little complicated when you talk about the history of what’s gone wrong but.. I believe he made us and everything else for His own glory. Not because he needs us, or needs to be needed. The truth is, He does love us, though that’s sometimes hard to see. This is what I have been taught, this is what I have read in the Bible and believed for my own.

    I’m really trying not to come off as the kind of person that’s trying to shove my religion down your throat- that’s stupid.. I just thought I’d add a possible scenario to your list :). If you really have more thoughts on the subject, I would try finding some real people, of all sorts of faith backgrounds, (not internet people, theyre not real =D) and talk to them.

    Cheers.

    Nate

    April 4, 2009 at 6:38 pm

  9. Over the years I had come to the same conclusion. But below changed it. Leave aside the marketing stuff. Theories are different.

    Anonymous

    August 22, 2009 at 7:39 am


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